Wake up（374）

 

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During the gathering at the Cafe Bau restaurant in Hong Kong, Wan Ru asked teachers and friends a series of questions and answers about current social issues. The topic of small talk suddenly became lively.

Professor Shen Zhirui said: In terms of the prosperity of singing and dancing, the prosperous scene is only whitewashed after Pooh came to power. The most obvious one is the Spring Festival Gala. After Pooh came to power, the Spring Festival Gala has become more and more boring every year. Doctrine is empty.

Professor Hong Wenxuan said: Before the Hu-Wen era, there was SARS, and then there was the Wenchuan Earthquake. But at that time the Internet was not as developed as it is now, the wall was not as high as it is now, and Google hadn’t left the mainland. At that time, forums were popular, and there was indeed a relatively loose network environment for discussing national affairs and social conflicts. Public knowledge was still toe-to-toe at that time. High-spirited. I remember that someone petitioned and met Wen Jiabao at that time. If you think about it now, you have just left the house and you will have to eat the iron fist of maintaining stability before you leave the market.

Professor Shen Zhirui said: Regarding nationalism, during the Hu-Wen period, the policy of making a fortune with a muffled voice was actually implemented all the time, keeping a low profile and not causing trouble, so it did not stir up national sentiments, but devoted itself to keeping secrets from Hong Kong, Taiwan and overseas. Infiltration, this move is much better than cockroaches and red dung. Unfortunately, the level of doctorate in elementary school is too low, so many years of hard work have been wasted with one move.

Shen Haidong said:

I am really puzzled. When "Pin Cong" mentioned a recent trend, comparing the topics of different periods within the CCP, it must be "total negation, no comparison, all bullshit" to be considered correct.

When it comes to being an official, civil servants, journalists, lawyers, and professors who come from within the system, it is only true that they are all "running dog true colors, especially shameless".

When it comes to social openness, freedom of speech, and the construction of the rule of law, it is only correct to insist that "from 1949 to now, there is only one virtue."

I dare to ask this kind of discussion, this kind of view of history, is it considered extreme left? Is it frame-limited thinking? Does it count as upper-level determinism?

Qin Xiling said:

You have no data comparison, no case support, no fact comparison, and no situation analysis. You are all subjective and arbitrary. How is this different from the Communist Party? If "Pin Cong" is a forum for spraying communism, it only provides an opportunity to get addicted to the mouth and evaluate the dissatisfaction in life in a non-objective way, then many discussions are meaningless.

No. 9 document, 7 do not talk about, mass arrests, 16 articles, all the way to the Hong Kong National Security Law. Or diminished, what can be disputed?

Zhou Yuzhong said that from 2008 to 2011, compared with 2015 to 2018, foreign exchange reserves decreased by 60%, M2 growth exceeded 430% year-on-year, all fiscal revenues of 30 first-level administrative divisions except Shanghai turned negative, and the per capita debt ratio increased by 56%. The year-on-year growth rate has increased by more than 1 percentage point, and the per capita disposable income has remained basically unchanged. Is there any dispute about which government is more embellished by singing and dancing? During the Hu Jintao government in Xiamen, Fujian, Guangdong, Zhejiang and other places, factories could only let workers go on the 29th day of the lunar calendar before Chinese New Year's Eve. The boss wanted to squat at the door with a big shovel to fear that the workers would go home. The factories under Xi Jinping returned to their hometowns one after another after October 1st, and more factories used only permanent skilled workers, and outsourced contract teams for other workers. During the Hu-Wen era, you could report on demolition, sweatshops, black mines, and productivity moths. There is a flood in the Pooh era, and you have to wait for the top to report the caliber. What made the world even more astonished was that Pooh never went to the front line of the disaster area to condolences to the grassroots affected by the disaster. Is this called "people first, life first"?

Shen Haidong said: In the past, Weibo, Zhihu, and various forums, how many people were convicted for their words? At that time, Weibo’s ranking of the public’s background was at the forefront, and countless big Vs were not even anti-communist themselves, and they had to curse in order to attract fans.

At that time, people like He Weifang, Zi Zhongyun, and Ren Zhiqiang were still on Weibo, and there was no need for people like Chen Qiushi to use themselves as a body punching bag.

At that time, the southern department dared to directly satirize Pooh in "Dayu Controls the Water", and the editor-in-chief did not say that he would be sentenced to 18 years.

At that time, Taiwanese athletes, Chinese American Navy, and Hong Kong progressive politicians all made their voices heard on Weibo.

Zhou Yuzhong said: If this kind of comparison cannot be judged rationally, if self-anesthesia leads to a conclusion of "it's not going backwards, it turns out to be so bad", then there is no need to discuss the so-called social progress theory and democratic reform in this forum , Change it to the Obscene Tuzhi Forum, it’s nothing more than bragging, right?

Shen Haidong said: Venting and cursing are good for occasional, just like pure theory, as Montesquieu said every now and then, you can't curse a Communist Party to death with this thing. It is a more responsible and most feasible path to objectively recognize the environment we exist in, compare various historical stages, learn knowledge and lessons from it, look for opportunities, and reserve for the future.

Professor Shen Zhirui said: Speech control in the Hu Jintao era was also relatively strict, but it was far better than it is now. At that time, some netizens were detained for making inappropriate remarks about national leaders, and the society was far from "singing and dancing". level. But it is true that negative news can be published inside the wall. Thanks to these news, the people inside the wall have a relatively clear understanding of the country and society. But recognizing social conflicts does not mean that social conflicts can be resolved. There may not be fewer conflicts than now. In other words, the social conflicts in China today are a continuation of the contradictions in the Hu-Wen era.

Professor Hong Wenxuan said: Pooh’s attempts to cover up and divert social conflicts when he came to power have indeed aggravated social conflicts, and the brainwashing patriotic propaganda against the public has also produced more wolf fighters. The situation of foreign aggression. To put it bluntly, it is not advisable to miss the era before Pooh, because the essence of Chinese politics and the ruling party lies there, but the Hu-Wen era is indeed much better than the present, because there are hopeful countries and hopeless countries It is indeed a world of difference.

Nan Yangsheng said: I have read He Qinglian's Twitter record: Tweet friends to remember the era of Hu and Wen. This article records the true stories that happened on Twitter, and hundreds of tweeters describe China ten years ago based on their own understanding of the Hu-Wen era. Seemingly trivial, there are only a dozen summaries that summarize the overall situation, but it completes a jigsaw puzzle of the times, which involves cognitive gaps in the information age, incomplete information under information control, and readers' self-selection under massive information. level problem. At first I didn’t pay attention, but later I found out that someone started from their own experience and described the era of Hu and Wen very well. I was curious for a while and read more than 600 comments and dozens of quotes. With the cognition of reality, we have really entered the era of "A Thousand Hamlets".

Professor Shen Zhirui said: The Hu-Wen period was a relatively enlightened period in the past 40 years. The scale of speech was relatively loose. The vast majority of people had the freedom to move. A little wealth, and more importantly, not tossing and tossing gave the vast majority of people a chance to breathe. Apart from corruption, officials still have a bottom line of awe. Now, these most basic things have disappeared without a trace.

Professor Hong Wenxuan said: "The speeches in the Hu-Wen era were far less free than those in the Jiang era. The economy developed rapidly due to joining the WTO, but the decade of Hu-Wen was the decade of the rich and powerful. Public murders are common all over the country, there are officials who are robbed, social security is also a mess, many policemen are the umbrella of the local underworld, but now Pooh has done too badly in the past two years."

The old dean Bai Yu said: The three points mentioned by He Qinglian are actually 90% of the political and social conditions in China at that time. The evaluation of official corruption is indeed completely different. I do not agree with the statement that "officials have a bottom line of awe in addition to corruption". What's more interesting is that some of us now unconsciously compare Hu and Wen with the Pooh era. In terms of freedom of speech, only the strict control of the Pooh era was compared, and no comparison was made with the relative looseness of the Toad era. I would like to add two points: Opposing color revolutions, cleaning up foreign NGOs in China, and Wu Bangguo, chairman of the Standing Committee of the National People's Congress, proposed the five no-doings are all things of the Hu-Wen era. From the inside of the CCP, the Hu-Wen era was a time of flood control in Nine Dragons, and the status of the nine Standing Committee members was relatively equal, more like colleagues; the two-term Standing Committee members in the Pooh era, the relationship with the other six people is more like the relationship between half an emperor and the Military Aircraft Department. It is precisely because of the disciplinary inspection and supervision departments of the Hu-Wen era and the family of the supervised cat and mouse that Bo Xilai had the political action of singing red and fighting gangsters to accumulate prestige for himself and gaining fame. It is also because of his Chongqing anti-corruption campaign that Abandoned by higher-ups with decision-making power. This is a cognitive gap determined by social class status, and this gap will exist regardless of any society or era.

Professor Shen Zhirui said:

The ten years of Hu and Wen were from 2003 to 2012. At that time, China was entering the WTO not long ago, and the Olympic Games was held in 2008. The United States’ policy toward China since the 1980s was contact, cooperation, influence, and change. This stage is in the period of cooperation and influence. During the period of trying to change, more than a thousand NGOs were dispatched, established, and supported in China, most of which were environmental protection and health care, and very few were promoting civil rights. The Chinese authorities regarded these NGOs as the means of the West's "color revolution" in China. tool. Driven by external forces, China has entered a time when public intellectuals, democracy and rights defenders are very active. But some people think that this is "the most corrupt and incompetent decade, the most terrifying decade when interest groups carve up resources and plunder national wealth, the worst decade in which the West brainwashed Chinese people, and of course it is also the most active decade in public knowledge and public teasing."

Professor Hong Wenxuan said: But many promoters affirmed the relatively loose social space of that era. It is believed that in that era, public intellectuals outside the system began to appear, including lawyers, journalists and media practitioners, writers and some entrepreneurs. They began to pay attention to environmental protection and smog, exposed waste oil, black coal kilns, fake vaccines, and poisoned milk powder, questioned China's labor education system, deportation system for blind migrants, and exposed the inhumane family planning system. It was an era of awakening public opinion, and the Chinese realized that they were individuals, not slaves of the state.

Shen Haidong said: I read information on the Internet, and it is generally believed that the social space in the Hu-Wen era was looser than that in the Xi era. The Deng Yujiao case was at that time. Although there were injustices, people from all over the country rallied in support of Deng Yujiao, but the people who rallied were not suppressed. There are also netizens who look deeper. For example, some view is: "Openness is an appearance, but it is actually because of the rapid development of social media, such as forums, blogs, Q groups, and video sites. The government's censorship has not kept up. At that time, a popular saying "Attention is power, and watching changes China." At that time, there were many social incidents, such as Sanlu, 70 yards, Yaojiaxin, Qian Yunhui, Wenchuan, Sun Zhigang, Tang Fuzhen, Yang Jia, Xia Junfeng, Wukan, Lvba, etc., but The enthusiasm of the people to participate in the public discussion also brings hope."

Zhou Yuzhong said, I personally think that the Hu-Wen era is an era in which both good and bad coexist, vitality and decay coexist. The era of Hu and Wen was the most prosperous era of high-end restaurants and nightclubs, the era of high-end tobacco, wine, tea and health care products, the era when public officials did not go home to eat seven days a week, and the era when many businessmen felt that business was the best. This is the era of huge overseas investment blood loss and money laundering, and it is also the era when many officials and businessmen's families profited out! Some people also said on the Internet that the Hu-Wen era was an era when patriotism was about to be socially killed. I'm talking about what's seen.

Qin Xiling sighed: Many tweeters talked about food safety, Blind Mountain (trafficking of women), Blind Well (trafficking of slave labor), Sanlu milk powder, gutter oil... and Chai Jing's documentary on environmental pollution. I also felt that it was chaotic at that time, but because the speech environment was relatively relaxed, these incidents could be reported in the newspapers. To be honest, none of these things have been resolved until today, it's just that you don't even know it! Now it is just that there is no freedom of speech on the basis of the chaos at the beginning.

Nan Yangsheng smiled: NO, that era was also full of collapses, such as dolls with poisonous milk, derailed trains, and various money corruptions, but ordinary people could at least get a share of it, and they could scold the government and leaders on the Internet. What now? The common people don't even have these things. Although the Hu-Wen era was not so good, Pooh is even more terrifying. He wants to restore and go back! It can be said that the sound of the waves is still there.